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Who know more about this Safirs ?

Post by Andrey » 10 Apr 2006, 04:38

Friends, it's pretty interesting to know bit more about Safirs which are on this pictures..
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Air France ?? what it's fate is ?
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This one is very interesting lady :)
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Post by S91C » 10 Apr 2006, 08:56

Hello..

The first picture is "the pink panter".
I don know who runs it this days, but at least it was father and son, Pierre and Jacob Holländer, a Swedish aeorbatic team. The son flied pink panter.

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Post by Andrey » 11 Apr 2006, 05:29

S91C wrote:Hello..

The first picture is "the pink panter".
I don know who runs it this days, but at least it was father and son, Pierre and Jacob Holländer, a Swedish aeorbatic team. The son flied pink panter.

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Per
Hello Per!

Thank you for info!

One more interesting picture ;)

Andrey
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Post by Guest » 11 Apr 2006, 10:56

S91C wrote:Hello..

The first picture is "the pink panter".
I don know who runs it this days, but at least it was father and son, Pierre and Jacob Holländer, a Swedish aeorbatic team. The son flied pink panter.

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Per
Hi Guys!
Per is correct. I'm quite sure that IXR was involved in an engine related incident a few years ago on the way back from an airshow in Finland. As far as I know it had to make a forced lan´ding in the water somewhere in the Stockholm archipelago. If I'm not mistaken the wreckage was salvaged and is now stored in Värsterås. Pierre was as I'm sure you know killed in an accident in England a few years back when his replica os Spirit of St Louis broke up in midair.
/P

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Post by Guest » 11 Apr 2006, 10:58

Regarding the third picture I would bet my money that the picture is taken in Africa and not in Australia. Probably in Ethiopia.
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Post by S91C » 11 Apr 2006, 19:12

I agree with guest about the third picture.
Perhaps von Rosen ´s Safir....??

// Per

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Post by Hakan » 11 Apr 2006, 19:25

Hi!
The third photo of the blue Safir is from 1964 and shot at Garoka airstrip in Papua New Guinea. She might be an Australian Safir. Investigating!

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Post by Hakan » 11 Apr 2006, 19:59

Safir in Japan is SB 91B/D serial no. 91.310 at Kakamigahara Aerospace Museum in Nagoya.

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Post by S91C » 11 Apr 2006, 20:34

aha...we was wrong then... :wink:

Do you know if the one i japan ever fly there ?

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Post by Hakan » 11 Apr 2006, 20:52

The Japanese Safir was registerd 1954-08-09 as SE-XAW and 1960-09-16 as Y-31001 in the Tunisian Air Force. When she entered Japan I don't know.

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Post by Andrey » 11 Apr 2006, 20:58

Hello guys!

Thanks for your interest first :) Then, in order, thanks to Guest about info about Panter... really interesting to know!... as for the third picture I found the topic at http://www.pprune.org where this photo was posted: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=152566 as I got from the thread it's looks like s\n 91.276 ( http://www.fcfk.com/safir/sb91/list/91276.htm ), besides, I can be wrong, but it's paint looks more australian then african...
Don't got the Per's question (sorry for my English, btw), but of course Jananise was flying on Safirs... and if to continuer talk about Japan - I have a photo of Japanise Safir model painted blue, but on no real colored photo...
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Post by Andrey » 11 Apr 2006, 21:03

Btw, guys, Inna did some research on Safir history - that will be interesting for you! - PDF could be found here

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Post by Mia » 11 Apr 2006, 21:55

Hi, guys!

What about this bird? Is it the name of the club it belongs to written on it?
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Post by S91C » 11 Apr 2006, 22:10

About SE-IKR its not the clubname..Its the name of a swedish flightmagazine. I dont know about IKR history but it looks to me Its some kind of PR for that magazine...

It is a D-version (91.417) and today its owned by
Aero Pals Club
Stockholm (according to the register)


Andrey: My question about the japanese safir was if it was flying i japan..
I didnt know that there was any safirs i Japan.....

// Per

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Post by Mia » 11 Apr 2006, 23:08

S91C wrote: Andrey: My question about the japanese safir was if it was flying i japan..
I didnt know that there was any safirs i Japan.....

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Hello, Per.

I'll try to answer for Andrey about japanese Safir... In fact, there was one Safir sold to Japan, where it was used at the Japanese Flight Test Center as a research A/C for high lift tests with a more powerful engine and an installed APU to blow hot air on the flaps (new wings built in Japan), and later it was transferred to the Japanese Air Force.

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Post by S91C » 12 Apr 2006, 09:49

Thank you for the answer, very interesting....

// Per

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Post by LeifP » 18 Apr 2006, 23:51

Hello,

Some Info about the Japanese Safir.
It is a SB 91B with serial 91.201 wich was bought back by SAAB from the Swedish Air Force (50001)
and sent to Japan for evaluation by the Japanese Self Defense Forces for their future trainer
(they lost against T-34)
But since the Safir is so easy to change wings on, the
Technical Research and Development Institute (TRDI) bought the Safir
to make different test with.
During its active life in Japan it never entered service with JASDF it remained with TRDI until it was retired in 1987.
Since 1996 it has been on exhibition at the Kakamigahara Aerospace Museum.

And thanks Håkan for indirectly pointing out a little error in my serial-list ...
91.310 was never in Japan, the Kakamigahara part has slipped in by mistake

You can read some more about it here http://www.fcfk.com/safir/sb91/list/91201.htm

Best regards

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SE-IXR and SE-IKR

Post by SF24 » 24 May 2006, 13:48

Both of these Saab 91D Safirs are former Finnish Air Force Safirs.
SE-IXR was s short period in finnish civil registration OH-SFI before sold to Sweden. Air Force code was SF-6.
SE-IKR is rare photo reconnaissance version of Safir, former FAF SF-29.
It is now located in Barkarsby airfield in Stockholm area.
Plans are that it will be renoved back in Finnish Air Force colour scheme.

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Saab Safir pics

Post by SF24 » 30 May 2006, 01:52

Some information for Safirs in pictures:
I think I replied already that SE-IXR (PinkPanther or Rosafiren) was ex Finnish Air Force SF-6 and ex OH-SFI Before sold to Sweden. Also blue Flygrevyn plane is former SF-29, a rare photo reconnaisance plane for mapping purposes. Plane is in Barkarby near Stockholm. I believe another Safir with white AK and Air France colours is F-BHAK owned by Jacques and Isabelle Felon in France.
...I don't think this plane has ever seen Australia, not to mention Papua...
There was already a lot of good information for Japanese version. I'd like to add that Safir in picture, if I see it right, is code nro TX-7101. It is japanese version of Safir: X1G1 It is fitted with 260hp Continental IO-470-D engine, bigger wings and a lot of other modifications such as openable left hand rear hood. All other Safir have fixed left hand rear hood. Ser.no is not 91.310 but 91.201. Plane was used as highlift wing testbed for Shin Meiwa PS-1 four engined sea patrol plane.

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Post by rpiereck » 08 Dec 2006, 21:59

Anonymous wrote:Regarding the third picture I would bet my money that the picture is taken in Africa and not in Australia. Probably in Ethiopia.
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Probably Papua New Guinea, as the website on the bottom right hand corner of the picture is the PNG tourism website.
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